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Essay #3 On a rainy spring day in New York City, two people came together to have a little reunion and discuss what made them who they are today. One is a man by the name of Edward Said and the other is a woman by the name of Gayatri Chakrovorty Spivak. In order to keep things simple, they agreed to keep their conversation to Said’s “Orientalism” and Spivak’s “A Critique of Postcolonial Reason.” The place of the meeting (reunion) was in a little café named Essential Truths that both fell in love with during their time at Columbia University. For the purposes of their discussion, they agree to discuss their differing conceptualization of the term subaltern, how they each view the impact of history and theory on the subject, and the impact of ideological and political overtones to their subject.
Said: Ms. Spivak, how good it is to see you again.
Spivak: Hello Mr. Said, it is a pleasure to see you also.
Said: What say you Spivak, should we begin our discussion? Would you prefer to order something first?
Spivak: No, nothing for me just yet, we might as well start our discussion. I am interested to hear you thoughts on this subject once again.
Said: Well, you know that I have three definitions for Orientalism. The first is that anyone who teaches, writes about, or researches the Orient; in any aspect is an Orientalist. The second is that it is a style of thought based upon ontological and epistemological distinction made between the Orient (Near East and Asia) and the Occident (Western Culture). The third is that Orientalism is based as a corporate institution for dealing with the Orient. What I mean by this is that these corporations deal with the Orient by making statements about it, authorizing view of it, describing it, teaching it, settling it, ruling over it, or in short, Orientalism as a Western style for dominating, restructuring, and having authority over the Orient.(Said, 1867,1868)
Spivak: So what you’re saying, for example, is the way that the British installed their system of government (Westernized) on the people of India by incorporating the elite class into their style of governing in order to control the lower classes of people.
Said: Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, but throughout the whole Orient, which as we both know was colonized during the 18th and 19th centuries by both Britain and France. The elite of the Orientalists have made assumptions and represented our society without the knowledge or input from any of the Orientals that they are portraying. What are your thoughts on the matter?
Spivak: Yes, I am quite in agreement with your thoughts on the matter, I have even said that the education of colonial subjects complements their production in law. This pattern has helped create what I call the “subaltern class”. Imperialism has developed a serious flaw that doesn’t allow the lower classes (subalterns) to have a voice in any form of discussion. (Spivak, 2116)
Said: Too true, unfortunately, I have said many times that “because of Orientalism the Orient was not (and is not) a free subject of thought or action.” How could the Orientals have a voice if Western scholars spoke for them and represented them? (Said, 1868)
Spivak: They couldn’t then, and they can’t now. Orientals, or subalterns, have to speak for themselves, if they want to be truly heard. The only problem is that Western intellectuals want to allow the subalterns to speak, thus subjecting them to their authority all over again. Why can’t Westerners get the idea, if the subalterns want to speak, it must be by their own conscious decision, in order for it to be their true voice. This is my major critique of Postcolonial Reasoning.
Said: To sum up, we agree at this point that my term Orientalism and your term Postcolonial Reason generally mean the same thing; Western domination over the Orient, and how this has played out over the years in all areas of study. Our terms of Orientals and subalterns are also very similar, what it different about your approach and how is it that you tie your argument to history?
Spivak: I mainly have used the history of India and the British domination during the period of colonialism; specifically, individual cases or events that still have effects to this day. For the most part, I use instances in India’s history to prove my points as I was born there and have some contact with people that still live there. One such example is my use of a non-subaltern, Bhaduri, who committed suicide in 1926. She was a member in the upper caste, and information at the time of her suicide was that she did as a result of an illegitimate affair. A decade later, a letter was found that she left for her sister where she admits being a member of an independence group entrusted with an assassination that she could not own up to. I asked her nieces about it and they still maintained that it was the result of an illicit love, even though Bhaduri waited until she was menstruating to commit suicide and discount that possibility. Bhaduri's voice was never heard, even though she tried to speak through her actions, but I was not blaming colonial authority in this case, but the effects that the system had on her descendants. Her own nieces couldn’t even bother to listen to their aunt’s attempt to speak through her actions and body condition, even though they had far more freedom than Bhaduri could possibly imagine. (Spivak, 2123, 2124)
Said: That is a sad story and a true outcome, no doubt from my experience in this subject. I chose a rather different methodological approach, that of strategic location and strategic formation. Strategic location is a way of describing the author’s position in a text with regard to the Oriental material he writes about, while strategic formation is a way of analyzing the relationship between texts and the way texts acquire mass, density, and referential power among themselves and in culture at large. This is how Orientalists represent the Orient and Orientals, with no regard for using natural depictions, by using their domination over the culture to create a version of Orientals that isn’t based on fact, but is used in all facets of study (histories, philological analyses, political treatises, and artistic texts). In most cases, political and scholarly discourses are based on these representations that might be based on a writer’s vision of the Orient, but not guided by it. I use a broader political and historical approach that involves all aspects of the Orient and Orientalism to make my case. (Said, 1881)
Spivak: I can see your point, and I am always marking the positionality of Western theorists as investigating subjects. I want to see what they have to say and how they say it, which is somewhat alike to your strategic location and formation. I also see a similarity in how authors hide the nature of their work behind the third person, which they think makes them objective. I see it as a control of their work and an acknowledgement of their limits, which they cannot even see for themselves. I have used Freud’s model of turning first and second person accounts into “empirical” statements of scientific fact, relating this to giving the hysterical woman a voice, which is the same treatment that third-world women receive. Everyone is influenced by that formation of thought and it is a big part of our unlearning to participate in that formation, by measuring silences into the object of investigation. Just as Freud uses women as scapegoats in the event of hysteria, I use my own example as an omen of the dangers involved in this formation to utter the simple sentence: “White men are saving brown women from brown men.” This simple sentence implores intellectuals to take a long, hard look at the imperialist subject-production with a feminist angle. (Spivak, 2121, 2122)
Said: That is truly remarkable! I attack that problem with a focus on it being an intellectual matter instead of it being solely an academic or political problem. In my study of Orientalism, I have found that literature and culture play a big role in the creation, development, and consolidation of Western domination over the Orient. Normal, everyday people don’t even realize that most of the concepts and characters of the Orient that they read about and see on television are stereotypes based on Western society’s image of Orientals. I think that societal, political, and literary culture must be studied together to form a better understanding of how deep the effects of Orientalism still affect the world today. Prejudice is still rampant today, even more so because of the economic and political power that the Middle East enjoys today, plus the blatant paint brush that Western culture uses to group all Arabs as Muslim terrorists. The chances of clearing these matters up to bring a clear and presentable agenda to any intellectual discussion are small, at best. (Said, 1887, 1888)
Spivak: You have a good point, a discussion is what is needed most, with all voices heard from, even those who might not be able to speak. I will think on what we have discussed today and who knows, I might even write an essay on it. On the other hand, we haven’t really discussed anything new, have we? I can’t believe it; three hours have passed this quickly. I am sorry, but I have an appointment that I must keep, so I must leave. Is there any chance that we could collaborate on what we discussed today and come up with a new plan of attack for starting a discussion about solving the problems of the world today?
Said: I am sorry to say that I will not be available at any time in the near future, as I am permanently retired. I will have to leave it to you and your peers to solve the problems the world faces. I just hope that I have laid some of the groundwork for starting the discussion and that my contributions will be useful in the years to come. I must say that I have enjoyed my time here with you, but I don’t want to make you late, so goodbye and good luck, Gaya.
Spivak: It certainly has been my pleasure to share the conversation with you, Ed. I will do what I can to promote the discussion that is sorely needed. Bye Bye.

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