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For those who haven't shared a class with me, one of my major concerns in conversations of a certain higher degree is the validity of claims presented as well as logical reasoning. The mind is a smart 'machine', so smart that it can trick itself into believing something that is not true. David Patrick Moynihan, four-term U.S. Senator from New York is quoted in saying that: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

A logical fallacy is a flaw in the structure of a deductive argument, which leaves the argument invalid. There are several of these, yet two of the most popular are circular reasoning and false premises. Reading through the text beginning on page 20 and ending on page 23, we see Socrates toying with his mental adversary, Euthyphro.

One of my primary concerns with this conversation is that by the end, Euthyphro admits to a fallacy of circular reasoning, yet doesn’t treat it with a high degree of internal question. He doesn’t (at least from what we saw) start to say, “If I’m wrong about this, then I may be wrong about other things. I should look more into my beliefs” even as Socrates is basically fighting both sides of the battle until his opponent could pick up his place again. Perhaps he was merely in a hurry. Like the old adage sates, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” Socrates did in fact lead Euthyphro to reason, but he could not make him think.

Euthyphro’s false premise comes when he instantly asserts his tract of god’s existences, and that holy is synonymous with good. Socrates twice brings up morally questionable acts that some of the gods in Euthyphro’s pantheon would have appreciated individuals committing, yet Euthyphro would be wrong to do so which at the very least weakens the appeal of holiness.

In addition to Socrates questions, which were good within the confines of his line of

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